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Unread August 8th, 2004, 05:57 PM
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A girl I know has a non criminal problem with the sherriff's department where she lives. Its a family court matter.

She didn't have to plead guilty to anything. The charges are all false and never happened.

She consented to a case plan that includes counseling. The sheriffs dept psychologist says she has to be in counseling until she admits that she is in denial and admits to everything that the accusing investigator charged her with.

Is that something that any professional review board would approve of?

Could it be an abuse of the professional authority given to the psychologist?


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Unread August 9th, 2004, 11:56 PM
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Denial can be such a convenient concept cant it? If the person "pleads guilty" then there are consequences. If the person does not plead guilty there there are even more consequences. If the person really didnt do it - then its a terrible catch 22. If the person really is in denial - then the concept is true from the beginning..

Of course there is no way we can see through what is really going on with this situation on a message board like this.

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Unread August 10th, 2004, 04:59 PM
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Well actually its not that hard to see through it. Not being lawyers here we may take for granted the concept that one is innocent until proven guilty. The circumstances of the family court is such that the judge agrees that no one has a reason to believe the charges.
So how is it that a sheriffs dept psychologist can decide what to believe and then say the "patient" has to agree with him.
Isn't the bigger question, and the reason I am writing here instead of a legal forum relates to the concept of patient and therapist. Is there any form of accepted therapy where the therapist decides what goals the patient should have without consulting the patient?
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Unread August 12th, 2004, 07:59 PM
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Actually, yes there are quite a few treatment situations where an authority sets the goal - and the person receiving the "help" has little input in the matter.

12 step groups make use of the "denial" concept to an almost extreme degree, and a person can be court ordered to participate in the treatment.

Certain anger management classes - especially the court ordered ones - make use of the denial concept.

Counseling for sexual criminals certainly sets up goals for the criminals that they might not agree with.

People who are mentally delayed are often given plans on what they will be working on together with their helpers without the person having much input in the matter.

Minors are also of course sometimes subject to counseling where they do not have any input as to the goal of the counseling. Especially violent minors, minors who engage in criminal behavior - or minors who are at risk of becoming criminal.

I can mention other instances - but this should give a good idea.

Again - whether or not the specific situation you talk about is ethical or not I would have no way of knowing. As my first response showed I find the whole denial concept a troublesome one. Not because there isnt good reasons for it. There are people with terrible problems who are in denial, and need help as fast as possible. But its such a catch 22, interestingly I happen to know of several very destructive cults that make use of the same concept to coerce members towards a goal they desire.

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Unread August 23rd, 2004, 12:41 PM
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You did bring up some helpful ideas.

The heart of the matter is having to admit you are in denial about something that has not become a legal fact.

If you get a dui, beat up your wife and get convicted of it then it is a legal fact, and it makes sense that you would have to admit you are in denial.

My question is about a case where there is no legal finding by the court that has to be admitted to. Only the "medical?" finding by a sheriffs dept phychologist.

So why should she have to agree with the psychologist when the judge has agreed that the court does not have to believe the allegations.
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Unread August 23rd, 2004, 08:15 PM
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Well.... it depends on what is actually going for this person.

For instance there are many alcoholics who are in denial of being alcoholics, and who has not been brought before a court of law, or who has not been found guilty by a court of law of being alcoholics. That does not make them any less alcoholized, or their denial any less real.

It really comes down to the question - which is the truth? Does this youth have some problems and are in denial of what they are or them even being there? Or is the psychologist completely off base.........

Legally, I have no idea what the sherif's department can get away with, maybe you should ask a private lawyer.

It might also be interesting to get a second opinion by a psychologist that you hire. Such a person is most interested in their own clients best interest.

Denial can be a catch 22 when used inappropriately. It can also be a very helpful concept when used appropriately.

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