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Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 28th, 2006, 11:06 AM
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Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

He's still right, though. The world IS deterministic and there are no 'souls' or 'spirits'. Psychology evolved on its own, that's why we have an Evolutionary Psychology forum.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Thanks, Fred. I have what I need now. Yes, I do have other issues that you've helped me to complete. So I'll follow my own advice:

1. I explained 'liar' in terms of your asking for more...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Oh, sorry, you did ask:

If you'd remembered my earlier post, you would have known that deism includes:



I believe many, if not most, people think that acceptance of a god includes the...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 12:51 PM
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Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Speaking of 'honesty' I've not seen as amazing an example of 'taking out of context' as turning:



into:



But it is an excellent example of politics, if you happen to like such things.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 11:04 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Fred, could you please provide a source so I can verify, "there were rumblings, somewhere, from Dennett suggesting that he may be somewhat less than enthusiastic about his own atheism", that would be...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 10:15 AM
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Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Thumbs up Re: Flew's putative conversion

Wow, I actually understood this! Well, once I went to dictionary.com and found "Deism: The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 14th, 2006, 10:04 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

In reply to Fred's post #33:

Yes, and if you recall, I accepted your point and apologized for extrapolating your writings and filling in my experience for your religious views, which I know very...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 13th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

I'm afraid that you're missing the point. We're all automatons taking in what we hear, processing it in our brains (deterministically), and then acting on it. If the Fred automaton convinced enough...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Fred, do you have ToddStark's posts on Flew, which included Flew's interview? Seems to me that Todd's point was that Flew wasn't much of an atheist to start with and didn't actually change.

If...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 13th, 2006, 01:06 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will & Tom's amygdala

You're right, I'm sorry. I should not have put thoughts in your head. Since you've not stated your beliefs I channeled my younger self and fell on my Catholic upbringing; I have to resist THAT...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 13th, 2006, 10:09 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Yes, too hard for me and my limited amount of time (and patience with redefined words). Especially when the 'definition' starts with a list of examples; examples are great for illuminating a...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

You might have to help me follow this supposition. Even though I don't believe in objective truth and don't believe in free will; I assure you that I will be kneeling right beside you if God does...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

You have to add the fact that Monty must ALWAYS open a door; the show itself had him opening one some times and not others. That may have confused people but, you're right, some people can still not...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Great points. This may sound clueless, or dishonest, or worse, but my goal is not to change Fred. I'm concerned about those who might read this in the future and have not yet formed such immovable...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:37 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Good post, thanks. I'm glad that you included "Quantum Mechanics" so I can reiterate that I don't think they apply to the point of affecting social determinism.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Thanks, Fred. I'm glad you replied and didn't insult me directly.

Math and primes are deemed 'objective truths' only because most everyone agrees and probably because everyone can work it out...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 12th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

I guess I'm not typical. I do not consider any of those acts as free, in ANY sense. We accept 'innocent by reason of insanity', something in the person's 'psychology' 'drove' them to pull the...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Hmmm. On another read of your post, I focused on this statement. It seems like you're saying that they had no choice (they didn't choose their environment or genes) but they are responsible for...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

I understand the wisdom of keeping the door open. It's something, though, I can do no longer. When others scan through this discussion, their paralyzed arms will chalk your statement up to...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 06:05 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

Maybe, Fred, your decision not to post anything further is best for me; that you suggest that the thread end altogether without you, too, is expected. I hope you do, however, continue to read with...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

I have seen your perspective, that's why I noted your definition of morality. It is self-supporting in that it insists on 2 things: that morality be 'objective' and that anything coming from the...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

No, he didn't. And thanks, again, for implying that I'm a terrible person because I'm not a closet theist/deist.

He offered a lot of words, none of which seemed to me to offer a...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will

So now you're calling me a stupid liar? I'd expect a bit more 'morality' out of you.

But, you see my point of view, we are but automatons. But ones with the power to communicate, learn, hope,...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 11th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 35,051
Posted By TomJrzk
Free Will

This thread is a continuation of a conversation of Free Will that started on page 4 of the "Intelligent Design and Why Not" thread with post #31. Please read those posts if you want the background....
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