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Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 11th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Non Free Will Ãœbermensch

Absolutely, punishment and the threat of punishment are some of the most effective tools that society has to 'help' people choose the better behaviors. I would prefer that everyone were given enough...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 11th, 2006, 12:57 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I would prefer my lifestyle to be called an open marriage, since my wife is OK with it and I would not do it otherwise. That she's not threatened actually matters to me, which must give you a...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 11th, 2006, 12:53 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I want you to know that I REALLY appreciate this last parenthetical clause! You've gone out of your way to not misrepresent my views. Thank you!
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 10th, 2006, 09:25 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: The challenge—intellectual honesty

True, you're careful not to use the word. But you can't deny that you believe in some higher power. We use 'god' as shorthand, correctly.

You're oversimplifying my message. People are able to...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 9th, 2006, 12:08 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Moral reasoning is real

I agree with this statement and most of what else you've said. My point is that there's a 'morality' module in the brain, and this deterministically creates people "without moral reasoning ", so to...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 9th, 2006, 11:10 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Committing suicide to survive?

Your definition is the problem. Suicide is the destruction of one'e own life, not necessarily interests.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 8th, 2006, 12:16 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: The very, very difficult compatibilist argument

This statement is correct when you use your definition of free will, which is OK when I read it but may mislead others. I prefer to say that neither humans nor machines have free will; our choices...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 6th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Ha, that's hilarious because I was saying the same thing to Todd; he's encouraging you to see a difference between his views and mine. As I've said, if his 'free will' is also available to machines...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 28th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I've concluded that a machine that can mimic your neurons and neurotransmitters and store all of your memories and instincts would be just as conscious as you. If there's anything else, I have yet...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 25th, 2006, 01:12 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

Wow, you're on a roll!!! With this and your post on the other thread, we may have made some headway!

My only disagreement with your representation of my views was the word 'blindly'; I'm sorry I...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 24th, 2006, 11:01 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

You're misrepresenting my views yet again. Even without free will, you are still Fred, you use your brain and make choices. For the sake of others, I will explain myself:

There is only evolution...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 23rd, 2006, 04:34 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

That's beside the point but I'll answer it: Yes, my brain, weighing its memories and instincts, concluded that there is no evidence yet of the existence of free will.

Your statement that 'it has...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 23rd, 2006, 09:23 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

We have concluded no such thing. There is no free will, especially if you imply animals do not have it. The onus is on you to prove that humans have free will since the null case is valid: we can...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 20th, 2006, 01:02 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Alex adds free will only for political reasons and Todd grants his concept of free will to programmed machines, I can't argue with either of those and wouldn't want to. So our differences are not...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 19th, 2006, 03:29 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Pretty good Fred. Not as good as your earlier misrepresentation of someone's thoughts:


Regardless of your rhetoric, we do agree on determinism, which is a fundamental understanding, and that is...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 18th, 2006, 04:26 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

In spite of the verbal combat, this discussion has been of huge benefit to me. The four of us: Margaret, Alexandra, Todd and I, have nearly exact ideas about free will. I'm not sure about Margaret...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 04:29 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

That being the only thing that confused me in all you've written shows that you're much more clear to me than I'd ever expect anyone to be.

The aggravation is obnoxious but this is still great...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

On the contrary. I fully accept your idea that



I just think the words you use to express it are sometimes as confusing as "It's sunny outside but it's nighttime" or "intellect has an effect...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Then how can you say

? That's the sort of stuff that gives me headaches.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

OK, I'll play the part of the Hurricane for the first act. I can't get behind your saying:

and then:


Including 'entirely' in that last sentence makes sense from what you've said but knocks...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 12:00 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will Challenge

Hmmm. Interesting. I really don't know what is actually going on in your head. If you truly believe that readers would appreciate everything you've written then, Fred, I'm glad that I could make...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free will v. downward causation

Margaret, he's just baiting you. Though I've warned you against 'tilting against the windmill' that is Fred, you've been doing a great job. However, before he frustrates you out of this forum as he...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 09:39 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: Free Will Challenge--Modify the markers

You're right, that would feel best to Tom. But simplifying my choice to what you'd probably term 'animal instincts' or something is wrong, though I can see how you (and most people) would do that. ...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 15th, 2006, 04:01 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

That's much more clear, thanks. It's as good a model as any for me, though, as always, I prefer to have a big flying exclamation point as an emotional marker, something I can lay my hands on. ;)
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Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 15th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,626
Posted By TomJrzk
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I can agree that all final decisions are emotional; I can think as hard as I want but it's hard to envision acting on a decision that I don't 'like' or 'feel is appropriate' or 'think will keep...
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