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Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 11th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Cool Re: A Non Free Will Übermensch

Great stuff Tom—these “sick” people s/b “threatened with punishment.” Ties in nicely with your view that although those that behave badly aren’t “morally responsible” they s/b...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 10th, 2006, 08:55 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: The challenge—intellectual honesty

You just did Margaret. Thanks. (And again your words reveal more about you than perhaps you realize.)

And once again, bravo to TomJ, apparently the only atheist here with the intellectual honesty...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 9th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I’m inclined to agree.

I’d certainly agree with you that no other animal has free will, although I myself remain convinced that we humans, unlike all other evolved creatures, do have some...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 9th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

OK MM, I’ve the test that’ll prove this one way or the other—

The next time the Lottery gets up into the hundreds of millions, and your subconscious emotional and motivational mechanisms are...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 9th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Committing suicide to survive?

Committing suicide to survive? :eek:

How is it that you people will take a fairly straightforward and unambiguous word, like “suicide” (the destruction or ruin of one's own interests) and...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 8th, 2006, 09:15 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Margaret, I’m humbled—apparently you yourself are one of those with the appropriate ideology and the “[ability] to accept ambiguity in life as well as with [little] need for cognitive...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 8th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

More interesting? Au contraire Margaret. While you’ve obviously mischaracterize my explanations/arguments here, I think you may have forgotten JimB’s observation back in his February 4th, 2006...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 7th, 2006, 09:51 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Sure, that must explain the self-destructiveness of various forms of feminism wherein women choose to not become pregnant, and of the West’s nonreligious and so-called liberal elites and their...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 7th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Oh sure, like when one chooses to commit suicide . . . Margaret, Margaret.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 6th, 2006, 09:31 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

I have Margaret, but as I’ve indicated b/f, you may be too locked into your preconceived notions, or perhaps just not really paying attention. Nonetheless, magnanimous guy that I am, I’ll try one...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 6th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

See Todd? Your equivocations have resulted in Tom’s cognitive dissonance—while Tom insists that he has “proof that there is no Free Will,” and while you alternatively declare that “some...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 6th, 2006, 12:22 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Penrose clearly shows us that the truth of Godel’s incompleteness (and the Turing halting problem) confirms that human consciousness is the result of something more than algorithms—just as...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 4th, 2006, 10:47 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Indeed Todd, “only superficially relevant to the real argument,” although your claim that you’re “trying to figure out what [my] argument is :rolleyes: ” strikes me as being less than...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology March 2nd, 2006, 04:30 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

“Straw man argument?” Come on Todd. From Wikipedia:
Regarding “emergence,” again from Wikipedia:
So basically your “connectionist models” are “simple units,” that are essentially...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 25th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Yeah, I know, you’re essentially a “strong AI” guy. Here’s something from Wikipedia:
Functionalism holds that the exact biological structures of the mind need not be the same, just so...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 25th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

Yep, that’s essentially what I said—it’s your view that when “you choose,” it’s actually “[the algorithm(s) in] your brain [that] has decided what's best for you and does it.” And...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 24th, 2006, 10:34 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

But if things are as you say, then it’d not be “you” or “Tom” that’d appreciate the requested edit, because “you” or “Tom” are merely illusions generated by the deterministic...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 23rd, 2006, 03:52 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

To be more consistent with your own POV, you should say that it’s just the determinism of the algorithms that happen to be imbedded in the tissue known as TomJ that have “concluded no such...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 23rd, 2006, 03:27 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

“Machines make choices?” Yep, I agree Todd, your perception of free will is not accurate, nor meaningful.

I suppose you’re actually referring to the software, the algorithms, that we...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 22nd, 2006, 05:38 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

Free Will Challenge & Conclusion

In the challenge it was asserted that we humans “conjure a belief in free will because our ego loves the idea that our conscious mind is in charge,” and that...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 21st, 2006, 02:06 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Bizarre. :rolleyes:
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 20th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Except that you can also “see” how you all have “nearly exact ideas,” that “choices are deterministic,” except that Alex & Todd add “an element of free will,” and except that that is...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 19th, 2006, 12:18 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

IOW, all four of you all have “nearly exact ideas,” that “choices are deterministic,” except that you’re not sure about Margaret, and except that Alex & Todd add “an element of free...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

“Objective truth, as far as it exists . . . it could all be an illusion?”—That’s nothing, nothing like the objective (mathematical truth) that I refer to. What value could your mushy...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 01:59 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Actually Margaret, this ultimately boils down to only one essential issue: whether there is objective (mathematical) truth and whether we humans can consciously discern it and use it to understand...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 17th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Perhaps. Certainly the fact that we humans can discern objective mathematical truth, and then use that truth to understand ourselves and our universe, might suggest something “supernatural.”

...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: A Free Will Challenge

Sure Margaret, you’re welcome. And yes, the “lost world of motivation” is a great chapter with lots of fascinating info to digest—I’ve many underlined areas and notes in that chapter. And...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 01:59 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Free--can Fred get there too?

I’m delighted that you’re trying to be honest. And now I’m left wondering if perhaps LeDoux also may be too “committed to [his] beliefs as Fred, so un-phased by reasonable arguments,” with...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 11:44 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Smile Re: Free Will Challenge

To be recognized by one’s peers . . . it just doesn’t get any better. I’m honored Tom. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 16th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Re: Free will v. downward causation

You may have missed the point. As LeDoux indicates, we humans seem capable of “downward causation,” Here again in Ledoux’s words—

However Margaret, as I’ve suggested elsewhere, if...
Forum: Evolutionary Psychology February 15th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Replies: 98
Views: 55,565
Posted By Fred H.
Free Will Challenge--Modify the markers

Sure Margaret, I suppose that “we” do “choose” what “feels best.” But then why should it ever be otherwise?

E.g., if a woman makes a pass at Tom, he then may “choose” to have sex...
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