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    Re: Personality disorder diagnosis by remote control
    Paul Salkovskis · 7/6/99 at 5:42 pm ET

    Rob: let me remind you of the original information given which was that

    " a morbidly obese 48 year old woman with DM-2 and
    Hemoglobin A1Cs of 10.5 came for the first time. She stated that she was here to get motivation to exercise and
    improve her diet, since she was not exercising at all, and continued to eat lots of high fat foods. The group tried to
    suggest various strategies that worked for them, but she quickly rejected them all. I then tried the "stick", since the
    "carrot" clearly was unappetizing to her, and let her know that if she continued with her blood sugars at this level - due to
    her weight, diet, and lack of exercise - then she was looking toward painful neuropathies, a series of amputations,
    blindness, renal dialysis, heart disease, etc. She said that she knew all that, since her mother was on dialysis and died of
    diabetes related factors, and her uncle who lived with them had his left leg amputated and was blind due to diabetes. I
    asked her if she was resigned to having diabetes, and felt there was nothing she could do about it, to which she replied:
    "No. I know that if I exercise and eat right that I can contol it. I just don't have the motivation. That's why I came here."

    Now, where on earth in that lot do you get a personality disorder diagnosis, of any type? My analysis is that the group may well have suggested things she had already tried and she was told things she already knew. The medical/social/psychological system has failed her. I believe that it simply adds insult to injury to label her as a personality disorder. The suggestions concerning motivational interviewing are good and will, I suspect, produce a good outcome (incidentally, I just got Rollnick et al's new book, well worth looking at for this type of problem). The value of a personality diagnosis? If I were to say, (as I would not choose to do) that I had inferred from our interchange that you were suffering from narcissitic personality disorder, is that likely to be helpful (or acceptable) to you? The idea of making and sharing a personality disorder diagnosis with this unhappy woman fills me with horror, because I think that it will be harmful to her when there are sensible options available. I likewise think that an early intervention is not desirable. In my relatively long experience of working with health anxious patients and "hypochondriasis" I have been struck by how well engaged people are if they feel understood. A too-rapid intervention which fails because it is unsoundly based in assessment of the person's problem is, in my opionion, a particularly counter-productive thing to do. To base it on a notion of personality disorder, for which there is, as far as I can see, not a shred of justification, apalling. Please, please, let's try to understand and empathise with this kind of problem, identify maintaining factors for the unhelpful beliefs and behaviours, and help the person to change things for themself.

    Replies:
    • Re: Personality disorder diagnosis by remote control, by John Martin, 7/6/99
      • Re: Personality disorder diagnosis by remote control, by Jim Spira, 7/15/99
        • Re: Personality disorder diagnosis by remote control, by John Martin, 7/16/99
          • Alexithymia, by Jim Spira, 7/17/99
            • Re: Alexithymia, by John Martin, 7/17/99
              • Re: Alexithymia, by , 8/13/99
    • Re: Personality disorder diagnosis by remote control, by Rob Feinstein, 7/7/99
      • OK, but just one last thing...., by Paul Salkovskis, 7/7/99
        • Re: OK, but just one last thing...., by Rob Feinstein , 7/7/99
          • Re: OK, but just one last thing...., by John Martin, 7/7/99
            • Re: What is the symptom ?, by , 7/8/99
              • Re: What is the symptom ?, by John Martin, 7/8/99
                • Re: What is the symptom ?, by Jim Spira, 7/16/99
                • Re: What is the symptom ?, by , 06/22/02
            • Borderline? Spectrum?, by Paul Salkovskis, 7/8/99
              • Re: Borderline? Spectrum?, by John Martin, 7/8/99
                • NOW I begin to agree., by Paul Salkovskis, 7/9/99
          • well, as we still seem to be discussing it...., by Paul Salkovskis, 7/8/99

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