It is impressive and reassuring to read how various therapists describe their therapeutic activities using different theories and diverse terminologies yet approaching their patients in essentially very similar ways. When I look at Johanna Tabin's (10/31/97) and Jim Pretzer's (11/8/97) contributions to this discussion I find myself in what seems very familiar territory. I have no quarrel with Jim being a 'Good Father' who helped Gary learn skills and knowledge. I would have described the same in more theoretically based terms using such concepts as idealization and striving for alter-ego selfobject experiences. Similarly, when Jim tried to provide Gary with the experience of relationship based on mutual respect etc. I would have talked about mirroring selfobject experiences and the need for mutual reciprocity and interaction. As far as the patient is concerned I would guess that only the language, not the experience is different.